July 19, 2006
As He Said
I'm still busy, my mind is still in overdrive... and it's boiling hot.
I can only repeat what another Italian blogger, Otimaster, said:
I can only repeat what another Italian blogger, Otimaster, said:
Slightly edited, because I know English too well now...Give a little Help to your Italian friends
Our country has a new government which pretends to be democratic but is trying to turn into a socialist dictatorship.
Violations of the rules of democracy happen every day and the judiciary is used as a weapon against political opponents.
The Communists that are 60% of the leftist coalition want to vote against the financing of the military missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, sorry if we will not be able to respect the promises made to your country.
The chiefs of our Internal Security Services who helped the CIA to capture a terrorist are now removed from their role s and are facing trials because what they did has been considered illegal.
The government has removed the fiscal police who were investigating on the red cooperatives.
These are some of the things that happen in our country.
Please read our blog for further information, feel free to publish our appeal, send it to your politicians, help us to convince our politicians to respect democracy.
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Comments:
Well, sorry but I strongly disagree on almost every point:
Our country has a new government which pretends to be democratic but is trying to turn into a socialist dictatorship.
Violations of the rules of democracy happen every day and the judiciary is used as a weapon against political opponents.
This is plainly laughable. The government which in Otimaster's words should be trying to turn Italy into a "socialist dictatorship" has, among others, a Christian Democrat for its Prime Minister and another one for its Justice Minister - quite the rabid Bolsheviks; not counting the Education Minister (another one from the Partito Popolare Italiano, the former Christian Democrats), the Defence Minister, Arturo Parisi, former director of Azione Cattolica (blimey guv, worse than the Red Guards), Rosy Bindi, former vice-president of Azione Cattolica (again), Emma Bonino, who I believe doesn't need an introduction.
Regarding the "use of the judiciary as a weapon", I think the least said, the better: we could go on for days, but if the spectacle of the former Prime Minister passing one law after another to protect his friends from the penal consequences of their actions (for which, in most cases, they were found guilty but then absolved thanks to the changes he made to the various statutes of limitations) hasn't shamed "Otimaster" into at least keeping a dignified silence on the subject, I don't think anything will.
The Communists that are 60% of the leftist coalition want to vote against the financing of the military missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, sorry if we will not be able to respect the promises made to your country.
The "communists" are 60% of the coalition only if you count the DS among them; which would make Britain a truly Bolshevik country, the fact being that most of the Labour Party and 99% of the Lib-Dems have positions far to the left of those espoused by the DS - and it might be worth noting that the DS have every intention to vote in favour of the Afghanistan mission, or actually they may already have, I haven't followed the news for the last few days. The "dissidents" (which, I believe, should be publicly shamed and kicked out of the coalition) are only 8 Senators. The above should be seen as nothing more than a clumsy attempt at disinformacija - what was that? "Fight an enemy long enough, and you become like him", i think the quotation goes, but for the life of me I can't remember who said it.
The chiefs of our Internal Security Services who helped the CIA to capture a terrorist are now removed from their role s and are facing trials because what they did has been considered illegal.
More disinformacija. The heads of the security services did not "help capture a terrorist" (which would have been perfectly legal and laudable). They helped kidnap an Italian resident charged with absolutely nothing, but suspected by the CIA of being a terrorist based on evidence nobody, not even the Italian security services, has ever seen, and not to take him to some US prison to be interrogated, or even to Gitmo, but to have him delivered to the Egyptian police who promptly locked him up and tortured him for two years without being able to extract any meaningful information out of him
Last time I checked, kidnapping someone and delivering him to a foreign police force to have him tortured was a crime under Italian legislation. The fact that the guy was innocent and they didn't get any information out of him also makes them bumbling incompetents led by the nose by their American colleagues (which in my book is another jailing offence for the heads of a security service). Otimaster is obviously welcome to promote a change legalising torture for terrorism suspects, people the Americans don't like and blokes who look a bit foreign - but he should have the honesty and courage to state that that's what he wants.
The government has removed the fiscal police who were investigating on the red cooperatives.
Have they? I'm sure Otimaster will be able to quote the decree that stopped the Guardia di Finanza investigations, or the specific order (they are numbered after all) coming from the Interior or Finance Ministries. I haven't heard of any, but you never know, i read Bolshevik newspapers like The Financial Times and the Corriere della Sera and watch Bolshevik channels like Sky News and Bloomberg.
(for non-Italian readers, it should be noted that "Bolshevik", in Italian, means "not owned by the Berlusconi family")
Our country has a new government which pretends to be democratic but is trying to turn into a socialist dictatorship.
Violations of the rules of democracy happen every day and the judiciary is used as a weapon against political opponents.
This is plainly laughable. The government which in Otimaster's words should be trying to turn Italy into a "socialist dictatorship" has, among others, a Christian Democrat for its Prime Minister and another one for its Justice Minister - quite the rabid Bolsheviks; not counting the Education Minister (another one from the Partito Popolare Italiano, the former Christian Democrats), the Defence Minister, Arturo Parisi, former director of Azione Cattolica (blimey guv, worse than the Red Guards), Rosy Bindi, former vice-president of Azione Cattolica (again), Emma Bonino, who I believe doesn't need an introduction.
Regarding the "use of the judiciary as a weapon", I think the least said, the better: we could go on for days, but if the spectacle of the former Prime Minister passing one law after another to protect his friends from the penal consequences of their actions (for which, in most cases, they were found guilty but then absolved thanks to the changes he made to the various statutes of limitations) hasn't shamed "Otimaster" into at least keeping a dignified silence on the subject, I don't think anything will.
The Communists that are 60% of the leftist coalition want to vote against the financing of the military missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, sorry if we will not be able to respect the promises made to your country.
The "communists" are 60% of the coalition only if you count the DS among them; which would make Britain a truly Bolshevik country, the fact being that most of the Labour Party and 99% of the Lib-Dems have positions far to the left of those espoused by the DS - and it might be worth noting that the DS have every intention to vote in favour of the Afghanistan mission, or actually they may already have, I haven't followed the news for the last few days. The "dissidents" (which, I believe, should be publicly shamed and kicked out of the coalition) are only 8 Senators. The above should be seen as nothing more than a clumsy attempt at disinformacija - what was that? "Fight an enemy long enough, and you become like him", i think the quotation goes, but for the life of me I can't remember who said it.
The chiefs of our Internal Security Services who helped the CIA to capture a terrorist are now removed from their role s and are facing trials because what they did has been considered illegal.
More disinformacija. The heads of the security services did not "help capture a terrorist" (which would have been perfectly legal and laudable). They helped kidnap an Italian resident charged with absolutely nothing, but suspected by the CIA of being a terrorist based on evidence nobody, not even the Italian security services, has ever seen, and not to take him to some US prison to be interrogated, or even to Gitmo, but to have him delivered to the Egyptian police who promptly locked him up and tortured him for two years without being able to extract any meaningful information out of him
Last time I checked, kidnapping someone and delivering him to a foreign police force to have him tortured was a crime under Italian legislation. The fact that the guy was innocent and they didn't get any information out of him also makes them bumbling incompetents led by the nose by their American colleagues (which in my book is another jailing offence for the heads of a security service). Otimaster is obviously welcome to promote a change legalising torture for terrorism suspects, people the Americans don't like and blokes who look a bit foreign - but he should have the honesty and courage to state that that's what he wants.
The government has removed the fiscal police who were investigating on the red cooperatives.
Have they? I'm sure Otimaster will be able to quote the decree that stopped the Guardia di Finanza investigations, or the specific order (they are numbered after all) coming from the Interior or Finance Ministries. I haven't heard of any, but you never know, i read Bolshevik newspapers like The Financial Times and the Corriere della Sera and watch Bolshevik channels like Sky News and Bloomberg.
(for non-Italian readers, it should be noted that "Bolshevik", in Italian, means "not owned by the Berlusconi family")
I have no time to reply in detail; you can raise these issues with Otimaster too.
But I fully support aggressive intelligence actions against the Islamists, and don't really care if their precious human rights are violated in the process.
But I fully support aggressive intelligence actions against the Islamists, and don't really care if their precious human rights are violated in the process.
That mostly depends on the definition of "islamist" of course. I belong to a generation which remembers when people said they supported "some" torture against "red brigades' sympathizers" - meaning all those who were found reading left-oriented newspapers and books (and may i remind you, our little "war on terror" was won without reverting to the terrorists' methods); forgive me if I'm a bit biased when I read this kind of broad definitions.
Anyway, for a reasonable definition of "islamist", i might agree with you. The point here, though, is subtly different: do you support torture against suspected islamists?
Lastly, the contempt that seems to traspire when you talk about human rights makes it looks like we seem to have found the long-sought common ground between Galloway's left and some parts of the right: the concept that human rights are not universal, but only apply to those that, in some way, deserve them. Not my cup of tea, thank you.
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Anyway, for a reasonable definition of "islamist", i might agree with you. The point here, though, is subtly different: do you support torture against suspected islamists?
Lastly, the contempt that seems to traspire when you talk about human rights makes it looks like we seem to have found the long-sought common ground between Galloway's left and some parts of the right: the concept that human rights are not universal, but only apply to those that, in some way, deserve them. Not my cup of tea, thank you.
